Cita
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Feb 11, 2005 16:36:17 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 11, 2005 16:36:17 GMT -5
Hi guys,
when i had a look earlier on i found two pictures of the Staniforth plans (dunno where) on this forum. Just for the fun i tried to duplicate a part of the plans from these pictures with autocad and without to much hassle i was able to draw the basic frame within a few mm accuracy. Perhaps these pictures should be removed to avoid illegal copying of the plans or part of it. I have no connections to Mr. Staniforth but i think he deserves the credit and money for those plans. That's all.
I think this will be a cracking Terrapin site!!!!
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Feb 11, 2005 16:54:34 GMT -5
Post by Jawfish on Feb 11, 2005 16:54:34 GMT -5
Hi Cita, glad to see you here, On my site, I do have pictures of the plans, to show people what your starting with and also what you get when you order the plans, I must admit that my mind is not that devious and they were put for people to get the interest in ordering them... I have difficulties in seeing the dimentions, I'll just shrink them more to get people to order them instead of trying to copy them... The background is rather large here so yes you could use it but then again it's pretty useless if you don't have a chassis to put them on and if your not using mini uprights What does everyone else think ? Fred
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Cita
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Feb 11, 2005 18:16:56 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 11, 2005 18:16:56 GMT -5
Hi Fred,
Shrinking them wont help i'm afraid.You can bring the picture into autocad and use the zoom function. I was able to see all the dimensions clearly enough to fabricate a basic chassis in autocad and i guess the same can be done for the suspension. I have no doubt the people on here are honest but perhaps others in the future might not.
Cita
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Feb 11, 2005 18:31:37 GMT -5
Post by stu on Feb 11, 2005 18:31:37 GMT -5
On my set of plans, in one particular area, there are two different dimensions for the same measurement. You have to look hard to find it.
Also it cant be built as a terrapin without the book AND the plans. You need both Buy the book and you will see what i mean. stu
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Feb 11, 2005 19:40:33 GMT -5
Post by Jawfish on Feb 11, 2005 19:40:33 GMT -5
This shows how cad illetirate I am... In that case I'll just cut the link, or better yet I'll guive Alan contact info this way if they want to see the real thing they'll need to order the plans.... I just really like the plans as a background ;D The Book is a lot more than just a guide to building the car, It also gives the reader a description of racing when times were simpler. A really good Read. Fred
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Cita
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Feb 11, 2005 21:07:11 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 11, 2005 21:07:11 GMT -5
Hi Stu-Fred,
I have the book from Rob that's why i wanted to warn Fred. With the book at hand it is not too difficult to make yourself a workable set of drawings i think.
Will have a look tommorow to see if i can spot the two different measurements ;D
Goodnight fellas.
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Feb 11, 2005 21:13:07 GMT -5
Post by Jawfish on Feb 11, 2005 21:13:07 GMT -5
;D Maybe the book should be manditory for the site ;D I'll double check that Stu never noticed it myself, or maybe I just figure it out and don't remember Fred
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Cita
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Feb 12, 2005 2:28:14 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 12, 2005 2:28:14 GMT -5
Goodmorning,
Stu i found a small error but i dont know if it's the one you have in mind though.
In the side view there are 3 measurements going from the datum line to the front (right):32-24.5-15=71.5 the total length given on the plans is 71. Is this the error or did i found another one...or am i talking total bollocks,...as usual ;D
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Feb 12, 2005 8:58:49 GMT -5
Post by twentyover on Feb 12, 2005 8:58:49 GMT -5
I seem to recall Allan noting in one of his later books that someone had built a Terrapin from the book, sans plans, just by scaling the picture and sketches
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Feb 12, 2005 17:29:08 GMT -5
Post by stu on Feb 12, 2005 17:29:08 GMT -5
Close but no cigar!
My plans show the height for the lower rear most pickup as 3.0 inches on the LHS of the drawing yet directly beneath it , it shows as 3.125 with the datum line drawing. The upper is 7.625 on both measurements.
It MAY be possible to scale off the book only but what about suspension arm lengths, rack placement etc
hope this helps Cheers Stu
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Cita
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Feb 12, 2005 18:20:29 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 12, 2005 18:20:29 GMT -5
Hi Stu,
i can only refer to the picture of the drawings Fred has posted and on those drawings there is only one figure (3.00) for the lower rear most pickup point.
At the moment i'm trying to draw the wishbones and i'm having problems with the lower front wishbone measurements,but i think i can work it out. I have seperated the chassis into 3 drawings (bottom-top and side) and that looks good. The bulkheads are also finished so i think with these basic drawings and the book it must be possible to build the car,not that i'm gonna do it (lack of funding as usual) but i see it as some sort of challange.
cheers Cita.
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Feb 12, 2005 23:52:05 GMT -5
Post by stu on Feb 12, 2005 23:52:05 GMT -5
wouldn't it be easier to get a set of the plans through rob. The plans are copyright of Stanniforth and Blackmore so trying to draw them from these web shots must breach that copyright. Alan and Richard have put a lot of time into the design as has Rob going to the effort of republishing the book, so it is only right that they get SOME return! From your email address, you live in Belgium so it is not that far across the channel to get plans. I appeal to your sense of fair play... DONT redraw them on cad so that they can be distributed for free. Let those who did the hard yards reap the benefits!! stu
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Feb 13, 2005 3:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Cita on Feb 13, 2005 3:50:03 GMT -5
Hi Stu,
I think there is some misunderstanding here. I started this thread to point out that with the pictures of the plans posted on this forum,it could be possible to reproduce at least a great part of the plans on autocad. I have no intention whatsoever to violate the copyright of Mr. Staniforth or anybody else. I indeed am, to American standards ;D,"just a block" away from Rob so purchasing plans would not be a problem for me and i would do so if i intended to build a Terrapin.(I purchased the book from Rob,signed by Mr. Staniforth)
These kind of things allways seems to backfire on me.I once made an autocad drawing for a aluminum racing seat,created from a distorted picture that was posted on the locost forum. I posted that pattern to show that it was very easy to replicate the pattern. I warned the copyright owner that the distorted picture could be used to draw the pattern and the result was i was accused of piracy etc...
I will not go through this all again so probably it's time to back off for me.
Goodbeye
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Feb 13, 2005 21:44:20 GMT -5
Post by stu on Feb 13, 2005 21:44:20 GMT -5
"At the moment i'm trying to draw the wishbones and i'm having problems with the lower front wishbone measurements,but i think i can work it out. I have seperated the chassis into 3 drawings (bottom-top and side) and that looks good. The bulkheads are also finished so i think with these basic drawings and the book it must be possible..."
Sorry but from your postings, you give the impression that you were redrawing the plans in autocad format.
I have actually had requests for the plans several times over and i tell people that they should buy the book first then chase the plans from there.
Sorry to attack you but after the effort people have gone to it seemed that there could have been the possiibility of a bit of piracy happening. cheers stu
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Feb 16, 2005 8:06:32 GMT -5
Post by Terrapin on Feb 16, 2005 8:06:32 GMT -5
Guy's in summary. Allan keeps a record of plans sold and then issues a build number once you have your Terrapin on the track. "Pirate" Terrapins will be easy to identify as they will not have a registered build number. Not that that would worry some people.
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